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01/17/13 19:59
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#189229 - Clarifies
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Koen De Ganck said:

So, for future designs of upgrades, it could be a good idea to place a pull up.


I think only if you have external (pull down?) loads on PSEN ?

A PSEN normally not connected, will not be pulled low.
I measured -27uA on a gnded pin, and -225uA on ~1.85V, so it is a QuasiIO pin, during RST active. After reset exit, it has a strong pullup (-18mA)

Boot mode is entered if PSEN is seen to be low on RST de-assert.

Koen De Ganck said:
I updated about 20 boards with a pull-up of 560K on pin 'PSEN'.
All but 1 board started up in a good way (10-20 tries), although most of them failed many times without pull-up.
The single board that had 1 failure out of 20, worked well with a pull-up of 330K.


While is it nice to know the boundary condition, I would fit well under 330K to allow for temperature and device margins.

Koen De Ganck said:

PSEN : is loaded with 1 port, the traces are within 2 x 3cm (4 endpoints ) on a multilayer.


What exactly is this load ?


Koen De Ganck said:

I also remove the LM810 reset chip as this is not needed anymore as the board works on 3V3.


I thought something else was driven by RST ?
I know a SW reset will drive out on RST pin, but I'm not sure if Power-Up does ?


List of 24 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Reset issue with new Atmel AT89LP51ED2            01/01/70 00:00      
   Do never use a µC from which only a preliminary...            01/01/70 00:00      
      configuration settings            01/01/70 00:00      
         what about negative reset?            01/01/70 00:00      
            good idea but            01/01/70 00:00      
   Some things to check...            01/01/70 00:00      
      also try no LM810 at all            01/01/70 00:00      
         reset is inverted            01/01/70 00:00      
      no strange signals            01/01/70 00:00      
         Extra modes ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            pull-up on PSEN solves the problem            01/01/70 00:00      
               small capacitor ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  small capacitor            01/01/70 00:00      
   side-stepping the problem?            01/01/70 00:00      
      SST could be an option            01/01/70 00:00      
   final status AT89LP51ED2 reset            01/01/70 00:00      
      Clarifies             01/01/70 00:00      
         loads on PSEN            01/01/70 00:00      
            An isolated PSEN works fine ?            01/01/70 00:00      
               GAL causes problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                  ATF16V8CZ has Pin-keeper            01/01/70 00:00      
                     'Z' indeed            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ATF16V8BQL has Icc of ~1.5mA            01/01/70 00:00      
                           'BQL' version could be an option            01/01/70 00:00      

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