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07/26/05 20:33
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#98211 - Yes, it's nice
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Matthias Arndt said:
Hiya,

I've just partially read the data sheet and user guide for the DS89C450 and stumpled upon this builtin bootloader.
Do I understand it right that no programmer except for a standard Max232 and a serial lead is needed and that one can directly load Intel HEX files with any terminal software into the code memory?

Yes, you're right about the builtin bootloader. You must also force a few pins on the device to enter bootloader execution mode; this is what the 74xx125 tri-state buffers shown in Dallas' documentation are for. And yes, you do just load up standard Intel Hex files over the serial port; the bootloader takes care of all the parsing and decoding for you. It should be possible to do the downloading with standard terminal software. However, if you use standard terminal software, be sure to pay attention to the responses from the device to ensure that your programming is succeeding as expected. Still, there are not a whole lot of reasons to use standard terminal software when freely available special-purpose programming utilities for these devices exist, such as Dallas' MTK and my own 89C4x0ldr-lite, unless you are on an unsupported platform. The former offers a user-friendly GUI, while the latter offers a simple, scriptable CLI.


If that is really the case than this should be the device of choice for students and hobbyists IMHO.

thanks,
Matthias

Well, it's a nice device. If you can run it at moderate frequencies, it's quite manageable, and can still outperform a lot of more conventional 8051-based devices. But, as you head for the upper range of clock speeds, you start running into issues. An LS address latch is no longer sufficient. Stretch cycles become necessary to interface with many peripherals. Noise shows up on ALE. And the list goes on.

Note that none of this is to say the device is inappropriate for students and hobbyists, but I think it would be a daunting challenge for a first expierience with microcontrollers without someone providing a good amount of hand-holding.

--Sasha Jevtic

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Looking for 80C251 board            01/01/70 00:00      
   DS89C450 is fast 8051.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Cheap 'n' cheerful            01/01/70 00:00      
      builtin bootloader            01/01/70 00:00      
         Common place            01/01/70 00:00      
            good to know            01/01/70 00:00      
               And Texas Instruments            01/01/70 00:00      
                  DS89C4x0            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Not sure            01/01/70 00:00      
                        DS89C420 vs. DS89C430/440/450            01/01/70 00:00      
                     You are probably right            01/01/70 00:00      
                  ok            01/01/70 00:00      
            Death of the Programmer            01/01/70 00:00      
         Yes, it's nice            01/01/70 00:00      
            comments            01/01/70 00:00      
      "marketing"            01/01/70 00:00      
         let's put it this way:            01/01/70 00:00      
            Which is exactly what they say ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               overview            01/01/70 00:00      
                  DS'420 IAP            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I'm not polite...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        MAXIM/Dallas and Flash            01/01/70 00:00      
                           common practice today            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Nor forgetting            01/01/70 00:00      
                              DS2250 - Secure Micro            01/01/70 00:00      
      Very nice and informative            01/01/70 00:00      
   Saved a few cents for a lot of work.            01/01/70 00:00      
      In-system programming            01/01/70 00:00      
         ISP Header            01/01/70 00:00      
      schematics?            01/01/70 00:00      
         if you are looking for schematics of ISP            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why on earth            01/01/70 00:00      
   '251 board            01/01/70 00:00      
   if you decide to leave the '51 (which yo            01/01/70 00:00      
   8052.com SBC supports DS89C420            01/01/70 00:00      
   Dead Thread?            01/01/70 00:00      
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